I recently read a review about Plane Talk by Kirk Lorange. The book teaches you a trick about how to visualize the fretboard to make. Kirk also has several of his own sites/forums and is also author of the amazing PlaneTalk book. This is a great DVD for beginner slide players, or for those who. For those of you who get lost on the fretboard while trying to improv, you need to check out Plane Talk by Kirk Lorange. His method is so simple.
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Kirk Lorange’s PlaneTalk – incredible!
User Name Remember Me? Lessons by Kirk Lorange – worth it? Has anyone here purchased it? Is it worth it? The ad uses a ‘ new, easy, different ‘ approach and I’m a little leary of it.
What is different about his teaching? Anyone have a used copy for sale? Books are a little old fashioned in my opinion. Kirk has a few things up on Youtube that are well worth hunting down, he is a good teacher. Not sure if he has anything on DVD.
This stuff is for advanced players. Originally Posted by Backslider. I recall seeing a book by Lorange quite some time ago back in the 80s or 90s. Instead, he goes for much smaller “chunks” – triads, and then builds up his stuff from that. Either has its merits. I bought the Plane Talk package a few years ago and I’m not sorry Tali did.
I wouldn’t say it was a life-changer, but the ‘technique’ for want of a better word he teaches is something I have kept talm around in my mind whilst playing and it is certainly useful. And would probably be moreso if I actually spent some decent time practicing it I don’t want to say too much out of respect for Kirk, but as tbeltrans says it’s similar to CAGED in that it’s a way to visualise and link up positions on the fretboard, pick out appropriate notes etc, but it is it’s own way of doing it.
So, would I recommend buying it?
Planetalk – Triads?
If you consider yourself beginner-intermediate then it likely has something to teach you. If you’re already more accomplished with your improvisation and rhythm playing further up the neck then you have probably already developed your own methods of doing what Plane Talk would teach you.
With regards to being leary of it, I can say that it is definately a valid technique and package despite the look of the webpage, and the DVD in particular is comprehensive and well done. So don’t worry that it’s a scam or similar, it’s just a matter of whether you need what it teaches. Hmm, that all sounds pretty vague but I hope it helps I brought tons of his products.
I plnae how simple he makes things, plus theres a cartoon book that made it easy to understand.
Just pissed tzlk stole my slide rule paper at barnes and nobles a few years back. He says, don’t think scales but melody One other comment I want to make here, but in a more general sense than the specific topic of this thread – Those who are intermediate and beyond would do well on occasion to review the “basics” from iirk or different perspectives from those they have always relied on. Sometimes, a new perspective on well-travelled material might be just the thing one needs to re-ignite those “creative fires”.
When I saw what Lorange was doing with the smaller chunks, I thought it was a really interesting approach that lent itself to a whole tapk set of possibilities. You can break up the CAGED forms any way you want to, but there is a whole thinking process and approach that is decidedly different when you think in smaller chunks right from the beginning.
I can say that in any plsne my experiences playing in bands, I tend to play chords of three or four notes, rather than the typical six string chords of the CAGED system that most people think of when they think of barre chords. Those smaller chords fit better into many different contexts and give the player much more flexibility pplane terms of what to add to the form, where it goes, and the contexts in which it can be readily used as part of something else.
Regarding Lorange’s materials, I lorqnge sure that there is much more to it than simply smaller forms to work with those who actually have his materials can comment on thisbut just that piece alone is well worth discussion and I am sure the rest of what Lorange might offer based on that idea would be well worth at tali looking into.
So do you think Kirk’s lessons are more for lead playing in a band or would his training benefit me?
Plane Talk by Kirk Lorange – Guitar Noise Forums
I paid for every inch of my fretboard but I’ve only been using the first few inches close to the nut – so I’m trying to change that! I want to see some wear marks beyond the open position – Larry.
No, small chord forms are not just for playing in a band, but their use in that context might be easier to visualize, so I used that as an example. I still say that for chord melody, it is a good idea to build a vocabulary of chord forms what Joe Pass used to call “grips” and then learn to use these in a variety of ways. The “variety of ways” is the tricky part, and I personally like Conti’s approach of the directed bass line.
Originally Posted by lw Originally Posted by tbeltrans. Larry – From my perspective, I would say to go for it. The Lorange material as I recall has a decidedly different way of presenting things and that certainly can’t hurt. It might be just the thing to trigger a new level of understanding for you. Worst case, you are exposed to new information that is not of immediate help but could be later onand that is not a bad thing at all.
To me, all learning is good. Larry PlainTalk is geared towards teaching you how to improvise over chord progressions using the chord tones from each chord in the progression. It is an approach to improvising that doesn’t rely on scale modes. In fact I don’t believe it talks about modes at all.
PlaneTalk by Kirk Lorange – Guitar Noise
Here is a video by Keith Wyatt that demonstrates a similar approach of using chord tones to improvise. Keith Wyatt Improvising The Blues Some of the other suggestions are probably lornge for what you are trying to do. At some point in the future if you want to improve your ability to improvise when playing with others, I would highly recommend it as an alternative to scale modes.
Originally Posted by LarryKu.
The way I see using only ‘chord tones’ – it would be a sub-set of the full set of scale tones that underlie a particular chord. It would be ‘simple’ and quick to learn but I can also see it being ‘limiting’ if you used only those notes from the full scale available to you. All times are GMT The time now is Nashville – Music City Posts: Find all posts by lw Find all posts by Backslider.
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Find all posts by Ilovetaylors. Originally Posted by tbeltrans Larry: Find all posts by LarryKu. Originally Posted by LarryKu Larry PlainTalk is geared towards teaching you how to improvise over chord progressions using the chord tones from each chord in the progression. Originally Posted by lw The way I see using only ‘chord tones’ – it would be a sub-set of the full set of scale tones that underlie a particular chord.